My Goldens Fight Against Hemangiosarcoma

My Goldens Fight Against Hemangiosarcoma

by Angna
(Tulsa, OK)

This has been a bad year for my family. We lost my beautiful golden retriever Max to hemangiosarcoma in March, he was 12. He lived 6 months after diagnosis of inoperable liver tumor.

Now, my other golden Erin has the same AWFUL cancer. I had an ultrasound done to check her out and she had 2 tumors, one near her colon and one on her spleen. We had them removed surgically and began chemo as soon possible afterwards.

About halfway through she developed a new tumor. We changed chemos and have had 1 round.

This has been so hard and I'm hoping to share and receive support and information from others going through this.

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Jul 17, 2018
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Another Newly Diagnosed – Final Post
by: Anonymous

I’m only posting because I know that someone will be searching the web just as I did looking for answers and trying to understand what the potential possibilities are for dogs with this lousy disease. See my original post on Oct 20, 2015.

Well, weeks turned into months and months turned into years. After 6 months, the vet said the spleen tumor on my golden retriever was huge, but it had to be benign because there was no way she would be in such good shape if it was malignant. From that point on the vet called her the miracle dog. We never did the surgery and I had three more great years.

My turn to cry for my 14-year-old golden came last week, but now I just focus on the good memories. We had a lot of great walks and some good swims which I never thought I would have. In the end it was a horrible mast tumor on her hip that developed (and developed very fast) and I knew it was time.

There are no clear answers with this lousy spleen disease, but I thought this story should be included with the rest. I hope the scientist can find out why these great dogs are so prone to cancer.

May 12, 2018
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Max
by: Anonymous

Hi Pat

You're welcome to join the group I have on facebook that is dedicated to dogs with HSA.

We can provide you with on going support and instructions on how to dose Yunnan Baiyao.

There are other supplements that is needed as well

Looking forward to seeing you

Shem

May 11, 2018
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Brodie
by: Pat

My beautiful Yorkie, Brodie, was diagnosed on April 14 with metastasized liver cancer and was given 2 days to live. They put him on Yunnan Baiyao every 8 hrs, 125 mg metronidazole 2x day, Pepcid 2 x day and denamarin 1x day.

His blood work improved after 2 weeks. Vet was amazed. I feed him organic chicken, hard boiled eggs, some blue dog food, carrots.

Today is 5/11 and he acts like his old self. I know he won’t get better but at least we are now prepared and cherishing every day. He is 11 yrs old.

My question is can I cut back on the Yunnan Baiyao to 2x day. I set my clock to wake up at 1:00 AM and I am exhausted. I will continue if it’s what I need to do.

May 05, 2018
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Max
by: Anonymous

Hi Anita

Sorry for the late reply. Can you get in touch with the owner who runs this site. Her name is Hazel Ketko. She's a member in my group.

I will forward her my details so she can pass them onto you.

Don't give up hope.

May 04, 2018
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Euthanasia
by: Mike

During this crisis, I became obsessed with giving Diamond a good death as well as a good life, and was very frustrated by the lack of information. Worse, there is a ridiculous, but widely held belief that death from this cancer is easy. This is bullshit. Had we not euthanized Diamond, she would have died gasping for air. Prior to that, she felt extremely tired, which to someone doesn't know better, doesn't look like suffering, but it is. Do you like exhaustion that never ends? Being unable to walk because your blood isn't getting enough oxygen? You don't? Guess what, your dog doesn't either.

One reason why I can't read extensively from forums of this kind is because I can't stand how dog owners insistently place themselves at the center. The myth that there is such a thing as a good death from this cancer because it doesn't look ugly is part of that. When your dog takes an irrevocable turn, don't wait. Say a gentle goodbye while it's still under your control.

May 04, 2018
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Thoughts on treatment after my dog's death
by: Mike

My beloved lab mix, Diamond, died a little under five months after her splenectomy. For reasons somewhat beyond my control, we pursued very aggressive conventional treatment, not least because of extravagant claims our oncologist made for them. Diamond handled it really well, but obviously it did not produce anything close to the result the oncologist claimed she was capable of.

Diamond died without tumors. What killed her was IMHA, a type of anemia associated with cancer, in which the body's immune system attacks the red blood cells. This can be treated with transfusions and immune-suppressing medicines, but we felt that we didn't want to shepherd her through another round of doctors and treatments only to buy a few months to the next crisis. I think people should be aware that this anemia is a risk for dogs with hemangiosarcoma. Even though her red cell count fell precipitously throughout her chemo treatment, this anemia was not properly diagnosed or discussed until she was practically dead. Had we known about it sooner, it would have definitely affected our subsequent treatment decisions. We would have certainly stopped giving her Turkey Tail mushrooms, since they strengthen immunity and could conceivably make the anemia more aggressive.

I flew blind through most of this, picking up experience and information as the crisis progressed. I was hindered because I share the dog with someone who is not inclined toward natural remedies nor responsible enough to be really thorough going on an anti-cancer diet.

If I ever confront this illness again, I would definitely not do high dose chemotherapy. Even though my dog tolerated it very well, it's not worth even minor diminutions in quality of life, and it adds to the risks and expenses. I regret that we spent so much money medicalizing our beloved sweetheart in her final months on earth. I would also not subject myself to the awfulness of the money-grubbing, often completely incompetent, canine oncology establishment any more than absolutely necessary.

Based on what I've experienced and what I've read, I will do things very differently if I ever confront this horrible cancer again. I would definitely go the diet and supplements route, since that is the only thing that's really producing stellar outcomes. I would consider supplementing that with low dose chemotherapy since it seems comparable in outcomes to high dose chemo but with far less toxicity and far less expense. I'm very angry that an irresponsible oncologist bragged us into doing what we did, especially given that she completely ignored Diamond's anemia once it got going.

When this nightmare started, I really felt like I had to do whatever would give my life-loving dog the most time. But now I am on much better terms with opting out of treatment and giving my dog the best life they can have in whatever time remains. The veterinary establishment is a racket that preys on desperation. It guarantees nothing but higher costs and diminished quality of life.

Mar 25, 2018
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Beating Hermangiosarcoma
by: Anita

Shem,

I am not on Facebook. Is there any other way I could access the information regarding the diet and supplements you are using for your dog Max who is so far surviving hermangiosarcoma?

My Golden was diagonosed two months ago and I would love to know what is working for you.

Thank you.
Anita

Mar 03, 2018
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Max's fight against Hemangiosarcoma
by: Shem

My boy Max is a 8 1/2 year old Golden. We're now at 33 months since being given a 1- 3 month death sentence. As many of you know hemangiosarcoma is a highly aggressive cancer and he's beating the odds.

I created a group on facebook " Hemangiosarcoma Diet & Supplement Protocols for dogs - A holistic Approach".

If anyone wishes to join, you're more than welcome to.

You'll find many diet and supplement protocols shared by other members who are beating the odds as well.

Its a great place for support, advice and more than anything HOPE.

Jan 16, 2018
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Please help me
by: Eugenio carlos

My name is Eugenio carlos, I live in Brazil.

My Border Collie has had a spleen removal surgery for 10 days. He has anemia and liver tumors. Can someone tell me a Holistic Vet. I want to help my dog have a quality of life.
My email is eugeniocarlos@outlook.com
Thank you.

Eugenio carlos

Jan 08, 2018
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Thank you
by: Anonymous

Thank you so much Anna for sharing Cooper’s story. I read your post last week and it was so touching, it took several days for me to respond.

After reading your post, I was finally able to sleep this past weekend, which is the first time since my girl was diagnosed weeks ago. There was such a fear on my part of the unknown of what might happen at the end that I would wake up several times at night to check on her.

This past weekend my family and I went over our plan in the event our girl took a turn for the worse, discussed again what signs to look for (white gums, etc.) and how and what we would do (depending on time of day, who might be available to get her to the vet and which vet might be open). I so appreciate your honesty and I think knowing and preparing to make it the least stressful as possible for her (and us) has been so helpful. We are forever grateful for you sharing during what is a difficult time for you and your family.

I hope with time your grief will lessen. We also have no regrets with going the holistic/TCM path seeing how happy and active our girl is every day. We gave her extra treats this past weekend in honor of Cooper and Cooper’s mom/family.

Jan 05, 2018
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My sweet Cooper
by: Anna

I was hoping not to be bringing this news for a long time, but on January 3rd we lost Cooper to the cancer. It was very unexpected because he was doing wonderful.

A few days before we had gone hiking and he was running full speed up the hills. The day before we were playing in the backyard and he was chasing the gardeners.

That night he didn’t sleep very well so I put him on the bed with us. When we woke up he didn’t want to get off. I looked at his gums they were white. I knew what was happening. He finally gets off the bed and goes to walk and I catch him as he is falling.

My husband picked him up as we all began to cry. When we set him in the garage he had an accident and I knew that was his body's way of letting go. I cleaned him all up and told him it was ok and I loved him so much. We wrapped him in a blanket and put him in his spot in the car.

I got in next to him, my mom in the front and my husband driving. The whole way there I held his paws and told him I loved him.

We all knew.

When we saw the doctor he told us the cancer was back and my sweet boy was bleeding out again. We had to say goodbye. I couldn’t stop crying. I couldn’t believe what was happening. I kept telling Cooper I loved him and that he was a good boy. I could see the pain in his eyes. He kept licking us and laying his head down for us to pet him.

I don’t regret the path I took with him because I was given almost four amazing months with him after his surgery. During this time he had nothing but energy and love and I couldn’t have asked for more. I wish this cancer didn’t exist and that none of us even had to be writing these stories.

Every day without him is hard and I miss him so much. I hope everyone hugs their dogs and tell them that you love them and that they are good boys and girls.

I love you Cooper you are such a good boy.

Jan 04, 2018
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Rottie Girls Fight against Atrial Hemangiosarcoma
by: Ray

My 11.5 year old Rottie was diagnosed with right atrial hemangiosarcoma. Decided to do chemo and will be giving my sweet girl Yunnan Paiyo and Im'Yunity. I want to change her diet where I cook all of her food. Anyone have any recipes or found a site that lists recipes? Wondering if she is taking the Im'Yunity, would she benefit from any other TCM supplements or particular vitamins? Thank you all for your input.

Dec 31, 2017
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Helen...
by: Anna

Thank you so much Helen I just liked your page and I’m going to read all about your girls' stories.

Dec 31, 2017
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Anna ... my story
by: Helen Rogers

Hi, Anna:

I actually created a Facebook page for the girls. It use to be "Gracie's Fight", but when I added Elphie to the mix, and the fact Gracie is going strong, I changed it to Holistic Fur Mom. You can probably go back to the beginning and some of the notes and read all about them.

I don't update it as frequently as I use to 3 years ago. but I do post about once a month and share info. :)

https://www.facebook.com/HolisticFurMom/

Dec 31, 2017
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Herbal remedies, Helen
by: Anna

Helen,

I absolutely loved reading your story. I’m not sure if you read my previous posted, but my guy was diagnosed with hemangiosarcoma after his spleen burst from the cancer. I am treated him with many supplements and diet change too. It really gives me hope and validates that I made the right choice.

Thank you so much for posting and would love to hear more from you.

Anna

Dec 31, 2017
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Yunnan Baiyao, Ten Mushroom and other supplements
by: Helen Rogers

After reading this thread, I am absolutely shocked and dumbfounded by the nay saying and dismissive attitude about TCM's.

January of 2015, I rushed my girl Gracie, a Xoloitzcuintli (Xolo for short) to the vet as she had incredibly labored breathing, was whimpering and was extremely lethargic. After x-rays and an ultrasound, they discovered a grape size hemangiosarcoma on her heart. Fluid had built around her heart, the tumor had a small tear and it was inoperable.

After discussing with the vet and much research over the weekend, I took her to a holistic vet specialist. She agreed the tumor was inoperable and though chemo was an option, she would have 6 months max. TCM would make her happy and comfortable and there was the probability it would "dry up" the tumor, however, she would have to remain on the many supplements and her diet the rest of her life (which meant removing dog food from her diet and me cooking and weighing her meats and greens); a small price to pay for a much loved dog.

I opted to go with TCM's and an aggressive, 3-day Vitamin C drip. 10 TCM's and supplements per meal ... AND what will be THREE years later on January 9th ... she is a bit older, at 13 yrs, but she is a very happy and healthy girl! She still gets excited for her walks on the beach, plays with her puppy sister (who is 2), and grins from ear to ear when she gets a car ride.

SLIGHTLY unrelated, but holistically related, my 12 yo poodle took a drastic turn for the worse Nov 1 and I rushed her to the vet as she was listless, not eating and urine was almost a yellow orange; she was in liver and kidney failure. That vet told me to prepare her for end-of-life within the next few days, but he'd put her on antibiotics to at least treat her infection (i.e. elevated white blood count). Given my success with the TCM's and Gracie, I dove into the internet, read up on holistic treatments and supplements, then consulted with a vet friend of mine; that night I took her off dog food and added the supplements. My poodle, who was facing death 2 months ago, is her old self, happy, energetic, loving and playful.

Bottom line ... you will never be able to dissuade me from TCM's. Western medicine may treat the pain symptoms, but TCM's treat the disease and get to the root of it.

Dec 29, 2017
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Great Advice
by: Mike Girard

I want to highlight a snippet from a comment below by Anonymous because I think it's great practical advice and because it so lovingly and humbly centers the dog in decision-making:

"In order not to overlook my dog’s true physical condition due to my emotional bias (there is a lot of it), we check in with the vet regularly to be sure there is agreement as to her current quality of life. "




Dec 29, 2017
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Anything besides chemo, Angna?
by: Mike Girard

Your girl's story is truly amazing and how I envy you for it. I am desperate for mine to be an exception also.

Apart from chemo, did you do any herbals or make dietary adjustments? You may have already answered this, so apologies if you have, but had she had a rupture before you got her into treatment?

Dec 29, 2017
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Thanks for sharing useful info, everyone
by: Mike Girard

Glad for all the info on treatments. Helpful!

As to other commenters who did not accept my invitation to change the subject and decided to focus on me:

I have nothing against Golden Retrievers. I think they are fantastic dogs. Based on the way she behaves and her current diagnosis, I think my superb, delightful rescue mutt is almost certainly part GR herself. If you can find GRs at a shelter, hooray for you. You needn't feel implicated in my judgment of people who buy dogs from breeders when there are thousands of wonderful dogs being euthanized every day. I will continue to believe that buying and rescuing signify different attitudes to dogs and that these attitudes may play a role in whose "journey" gets priority when the dog has a crisis.

As to this being a "safe space" to discuss things openly, I completely agree with that also. So a safe space for me includes the right to differ over when and when not to treat a dying dog and also for condemnation when prolonging life crosses the line into cruelty. I think you are collectively creating a culture here that completely subordinates the dog's well-being to whatever the hell a grieving owner wants to do and this is one more instance of putting the owner first. I have silently gnashed my teeth on other dog forums as owners agonize over "whether it's time" and describe the present conditions for a dog for whom it is well past time. I am fed up with it. Surely I can't be the only person who finds this kind of thing repellent. As far as I am concerned, it should be taken for granted among dog companions, that the benchmark for releasing your dog from this world is not when YOU'RE READY, but when SHE IS. This is very simple. To understand it all you have to do is one, be a REAL adult and, two, empathize with your dog as opposed owning it.

As for me chasing people off. That is utter nonsense. I posted here previously with innocuous questions and got nothing back from anyone. But I dared to challenge the consensus here that it's perfectly ok for a grieving owner to continue to treat a dog that's bleeding out and been pronounced virtually dead by a cardiologist, and the conversation picked right up.

How about safe spaces for everyone? Including a safe space for dying dogs?

You will never convince me that I am wrong about Krissie's treatment of her dog. You will never convince me that I was wrong to speak up. And you will never convince me that "safe space" is a place where everyone is mandated to agree that the grieving owner is always right.

Now please stop engaging with me on this matter and I will stop engaging with you.

Dec 28, 2017
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Information
by: Anonymous

My wonderful dog was diagnosed in October with hemangiosarcoma of the spleen and due to metastasize to the lungs was not a surgical candidate. She was given at most two months.

As of today, she is active (though slowing down), tail wagging and according to the vet still doing well. In order not to overlook my dog’s true physical condition due to my emotional bias (there is a lot of it), we check in with the vet regularly to be sure there is agreement as to her current quality of life.

If you are early in your online research, you may wish to search Hemangiosarcoma Support Group to find an active site on Facebook that discusses alternative options including Turkey Tail, Yunnan Baiyao, etc.

If you search Hemangiosarcoma Missy there is a blog about a dog that is doing well 2.5 years after diagnosis including links to some of the latest information regarding this aggressive cancer. If you search Yunnan Baiyao dosage you will find a dog cancer blog.

I know first-hand how extremely emotional this diagnosis can be and want to encourage you all to try not to let it prevent you from being the person your dog thinks you are. If you are lucky enough to still have time with your four legged family member, there are car windows to be hanging heads out of, walks to be gone on, holes to be dug and perhaps a neighborhood squirrel that needs to be chased…

My thoughts are with you all.

Dec 28, 2017
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Herbal remedies
by: Anna

Hello all,

For anyone interested in what herbs I’m giving my sweet boy I will list them below. I’m not saying this is a cure by any means or that it will extent their life substantially.

However, as I’ve said before my main goal is to give my baby the happiest rest of his life that I possibly can. We chose not to do chemo because he has a very sensitive stomach and didn’t want to put him through the chemo. For other dogs chemo is wonderful. These herbs were recommended to me by not only herbal doctors, but from oncologist as well.

-IP-6
-turkey tail
-DHA
-Yunnan Baiyao
- cbd oil (sol brand)
- concentrated stasis breaker (because of his sensitive stomach he was not able to continue on this one)

My guy is also on an anti-inflammatory diet low in carbs high in fat and protein.

Lastly if anyone is interested "the truth about cancer" is a wonderful book/documentary. You do have to pay for it, but I really enjoyed it.

My heart goes out to everyone fighting this with me and their pets.

Dec 28, 2017
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This needs to remain a safe place to share information.
by: Angna Byrne

First of all, I think all of the nastiness needs to stop and concentrate on the issue, our dogs and this disease.

Before I go on, I know every case is different even with my own two Golden’s. People choose different treatments and that is their prerogative.

As I said, my first golden lived 6 months because his was inoperable and he wasn’t a candidate for chemo.

My female was in good health at 11 yrs. old until this disease hit her. I took her to the specialty internal medicine hospital here and she did chemo for the allotted amount of time. She felt great the whole time, she took Cerenia the night before treatment and she never got nauseous.

I am so grateful for the year and a half of quality time we had with her. Yes, her longevity was more than most, only one other dog at the hospital lived longer.

Mike Girard you should know that your comments about breeder dogs as opposed to rescues is irrelevant in this case. My dogs including my Golden’s were rescues and I have personally worked with rescue for over 10 years. You also seem to personally attack Golden’s for being popular, that makes no sense whatsoever.

By the way, no one cares about or loves their dogs more than I do. When I mentioned the journey, I totally meant the dog's journey but let’s face the fact that we all take it with them. Please stop berating people on here that are here for advice and help. Since I see no replies to the several you’ve put on here, I’m guessing you’ve run people off.

Dec 28, 2017
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In a second attempt to change the subject...
by: Mike Girard

Clearly Krissie needs absolutely no encouragement to do whatever she wants with a dog a cardiologist said she should euthanize. Similarly, I will remain unmoved in the midst of middle-class self-centeredness subordinating a dog's quality of life to the human "journey." I become more convinced that there is a divide between dog rescuers and dog buyers, and we're at an impasse and talking in circles.

Therefore, in my second attempt to elicit information that people can actually use, I'll recapitulate some questions that were asked recently:

To Angna: What treatments were you giving your dog when she had her extraordinarily long run of good health?

To Anna: What are you giving your dog that is producing such excellent results without conventional treatment?

To All: what is the optimal dose for Yunnan Baiyao? I know what my vet said, but I'd be curious what your vets have said. What is your experience with YB? Have any of you used the rescue pill included with each package?

Please provide any other information you think might be helpful to other people and, most importantly, their dogs.

Dec 28, 2017
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Observation
by: Mike Girard

Seems rather revealing to me how much people here, on a Natural Remedies site, talk about all their sad feels for their beloved sick dogs, and how little information they share about what they do, or have done, for their dogs, to improve outcomes and quality of life.

For instance, three people have responded to Krissie so far, and only one answered her treatment question -- me. You're all sympathy it seems for whatever it is she wants to do to her dog, but are really rather short on advice as to getting her dog beyond the stellar benchmark of "being alert" and "not bleeding."

Surely anyone who has a dog with hemangiosarcoma knows, there is precious little good information about treatment. A handful of studies, some anecdotal info and what looks like a lot of covert PR for overpriced herbals covers about 90% of what's out there. It would seem to me that even people who put the owner's sad journey at the very center of their dog's ordeal would focus on the specifics of treatment, if only to make the ever-so-centrally important human's journey a little easier. Just sayin.'

Dec 28, 2017
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What vitamins, Anna?
by: Mike Girard

As I said, I'm not responding anymore to assertions that a dog's quality of life and a cardiologist's expert opinion are negligible in relation to the human owner's personal "journey." But I'm happy to hear your dog is doing so well without chemo. I know I would find the actual substances you're giving your dog much more helpful than your endorsement of multiple fluid taps for a dying dog. Can you cite them, please?


Dec 28, 2017
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Herbal remedies for hemangiosarcoma
by: Anna

Hello to all,

I’m so sorry to see how many families are forced to deal with this horrible sickness.

On September 14th my 10 year old golden retriever, Cooper, was diagnosed with hemangiosarcoma of his spleen. He was bleeding out. I was with him all by myself when I got the news and couldn’t stop crying. I called my family to let them know.

The vet gave me the choice to do surgery or put him to sleep right there because of the terrible pain he was in. I didn’t hesitate at all, we went with the surgery. We chose not to do any chemo or radiation.

Here we are a little over three months later and he is doing great. We chose to go the herbal path with him and I’m so pleased. I’ve done lots of research on what vitamins to give him and I’ve put him on every single one. I also have a holistic veterinarian taking care of him. I cherish every day I have with my Cooper and I pray he continues to feel good and to enjoy his days.

This is a very hard sickness and I don’t think anyone should feel bad for their choices if they are doing all they can for their pet. As long as your dog isn’t suffering there is not right treatment or wrong treatment. You must do what is right for your family.

Dec 28, 2017
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Subject change: Angna's remarkable female
by: Mike Girard

Angna, I am struck by the exceptionally long, high quality time your female had after her splenectomy. Can you please share what her treatment regimen consisted of? Was there any one element that you feel made the biggest difference?

Dec 28, 2017
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The End
by: Mike Girard

I've said all I can say about this. If Krissie comes back at some point and announces that an oncologist has entirely contradicted her cardiologist's dire warning, and her dog's life once again consists of chasing balls and begging for treats, consider this my apology in advance.

Otherwise, I am a thousand times not sorry. I understand the pain involved, because I am in the midst of it myself. It is precisely because I feel both my dog's fortunes and misfortunes as if they were my own, and love her so dearly, that I will not keep her alive for multiple procedures, tea infusion and Yunnan Baiyao dosage when her life has lost all of its usual pleasures. It amazes me that this common sense approach, based upon the simple notion that the dog's "journey" is uppermost, is at all controversial. But then, I don't think most dog owners really love their dogs. I see abuse everywhere.

Dec 28, 2017
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Pet Theory
by: Mike Girard

I've always thought there was fundamental difference in people like me, who rescue shelter mutts from kill pounds, and people who buy expensive, high-status dogs like Golden Retrievers despite their propensity for all kinds of breeding-related maladies. One sees the dog as a companion. The other sees it as property.

Perhaps that's the difference at work here.

Dec 28, 2017
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Response to Angna
by: Mike Girard

Thanks, Angna, for putting yourself among people who place able-bodied humans and their tender little denial feelings above the agonies of a dog that a cardiologist said should be euthanized and that by the evidence presented has zero quality of life. Unless a cardiologist recommended euthanizing your dog within two days and their quality of life consisted of having fluid from a bleedout tapped twice in a week, your lucky dogs are entirely irrelevant.

I plead guilty for caring more about an animal being tortured than a selfish person who keeps her dog alive so that he can be a holiday fixture for full-grown children at Christmas time. Why see a cardiologist at all, if you're not going to take his word for things?

Since my dog got sick, I have waded in this swamp of people torturing their moribund dogs with veterinary procedures and natural remedies long after the poor animal has any hope of a shred of normalcy. The cruelty and selfishness disgust me, particularly as it presents itself as love. I feel this way because I love and respect dogs. They are companions, not possession. They are not toys. They are not status symbols. They are not holiday decorations. They have no obligation to suffer for YOU.

Dec 27, 2017
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How sad
by: Angna

I lost both of my Golden’s to this hideous disease and I also started his thread several years ago. One of mine lived 6 months without treatment because his was located near his heart and was inoperable.

My female had the tumor and her spleen removed before starting treatment, she lived a year and a half and felt great the whole time. I think it’s cruel to berate this woman who obviously loves her dog for her choices. I may or may not agree with every choice someone makes but this is a horrible, cruel road to go down and I refuse to make someone feel even worse about their journey.

Dec 27, 2017
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As for Krissie's vets...
by: Mike Girard

There should be a special place in hell for vets like Krissie's who subject a doomed animal to continued procedures, rather than electing instead to talk a desperate and selfish owner out of their denial. But then talking sense into Krissie is less lucrative than continuing to withdraw fluid from her doomed dog's lungs and heart.

I'm sorry for the multiple posts and their somewhat sharp tone, but I just reread Krissie's post and noted that she has kept this poor creature alive for over ten days after her cardiologist's verdict and subjected him to multiple procedures.

Honestly, I have completely had it with so-called dog lovers like Krissie and a greedy medical establishment that provides the very opposite of "care" on their whims. If you really love dogs, and you are not complete child emotionally, you DO NOT TREAT THEM LIKE THIS.

If what I'm saying makes people angry, I don't care. I'm a far kinder person than anyone who would defend what Krissie is doing.

Dec 27, 2017
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Addition to last comment re Krissie's Golden
by: Mike Girard

In my last comment, I said, "This dog is not going to get better with herbal remedies alone." Since some people see the phrase "get better" as recover completely, I'd like to be clear. These dogs don't ever get better. In the case of hemangiosarcoma, getting better means having a longer period of high quality of life than they would have without any kind of treatment.

There is no credible evidence that giving Yunnan Baiyao to a dog that a cardiologist has said should be euthanized within two days will produce additional quality of life. Since veterinary professionals will always recommend surgery when it's a viable option, Krissie's dog seems past that point.

I am quite sure that I am as skeptical of the medical establishment as anyone reading this. I also sincerely believe that things like Turkey Tail mushrooms and Yunnan Baiyao are helpful when administered at the right stage. When a veterinary cardiologist tells you that you should euthanize your dog, you are past that stage.

I have to say that reading forums of dog owners to find good information on my own dog has been somewhat disheartening. The number of people who equate love with prolonging the agonies of these wonderful, truly divine creatures, is truly staggering.

Dec 27, 2017
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For Krissie, About Yunnan Baiyao
by: Mike Girard

Hello Krissie:

I will respond to your question about the YB dosage, but mostly for other readers, because based on what you've said, I think keeping your dog alive is cruel.

You say "he is acting alert, without any fluid or bleeding inside." I am curious if there is anything in his life right now besides "being alert" and not bleeding internally. is he happy? Can he do any of the things Golden Retrievers like to do? I am also curious how on earth you know he is not bleeding? Are you a vet? Has another vet seen him? It is the nature of tumors in hemangiosarcoma to bleed. At the very least his heart is in a state of ongoing self destruction. You will not stop this with Yunnan Baiyao. You are also putting him at risk of a traumatic and painful bleedout.

This dog is not going to get better with herbal remedies alone. Based on what your vet said, it's probably even too late for chemo. If his quality of life right now is the bare minimum of being alert and not bleeding out, keeping him alive is selfish and cruel.

Face the facts and do right for your dog. Release him from this world before he suffers more. If you insist on keeping him alive, at least see an oncologist to get a proper diagnosis and prognosis.

As to the dosage for Yunnan Baiyao, my oncologist said for a dog the size of my dog, who is 53 pounds, the proper dosage is one capsule twice daily.

Dec 26, 2017
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Golden w RA heart hermangiosarcoma
by: Krissie

Our golden retriever collapsed last Sunday, December 16, 2017 after an hour of running after his ball. We had his heart and lungs tapped of the fluid on Tues. He was diagnosed with right atrium hemangiosarcoma on Thursday.

We started yunnan baiyao on Wed., 2pills , 2x/day. The fluid re-accumulated by Thursday. The cardiologist told us to put him down soon, in the next 24-48 hours.

He was not labored in breathing, and it is Christmas time with my children coming home from college, so I waited. We watched him closely to see if he was distressed. He remained weak, but calm.

On Friday we also started him on essiac tea, 40cc, 3x/day diluted w 40cc hot water.

It is Dec 26, he is acting alert, without any fluid or bleeding inside. Respiratory rate & HR normal. We are so relieved we didn't put him to sleep.

I'm wondering how much and for how long to give the yunnan baiyao pills.

Any families with experience w dosage (number of pills) and how long to give it for (every day or 5 days on 5 days off... etc) would be extremely helpful to me. And anyone who has used essiac tea (Flor Essence).

My heartfelt sympathy goes out to all of you who are suffering from this devastating cancer that has taken precious time from us and our children with our beloved dogs.

Dec 10, 2017
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Low Dose Chemotherapy? Diet and supplements?
by: Mike Girard

As I said below, my beloved lab mix was just diagnosed with hemangiosarcoma following a splenectomy. We meet with the oncologist in less than a week. We are fairly certain we don't want to do the standard high dose chemotherapy, but have not ruled out the low dose, also known as metronomic, option.

As I understand it, this method does not kill healthy cells, since it aims to restrict blood flow to the tumors rather than kill the cancer cells themselves. Since the chemicals involved are given in low doses there are fewer and much less severe side effects.

An added plus is that you administer this at home rather than in stressful regular visits to the vet. Because hemangiosarcoma is such an under-studied cancer it is hard to find good data on what works and what doesn't.

I can only find one study comparing HDC and LDC. The results of this study were very encouraging, but it was a small sample. Is there anyone out there who can give me some additional information, either in the way of research or via your own experience?

I would also like to hear from people who took an entirely dietary/natural remedy approach with their dog. What did you do and what were the outcomes?

If you'd like to reach me directly use mm2594/gmail.

Dec 09, 2017
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Shelly’s Story
by: Fred

Our dog Shelly, a Lab/Shepard mix that was 70-lb, just passed away after a courageous 6 month battle with hemangiosarcoma. She was 9. I share her story so maybe it can help others.

This disease, like others have said here, came out of the blue like lightening on a clear day. She was always very active and enjoyed long walks and hikes. She loved life.

Then one morning 6 months ago, she didn’t eat her breakfast and was somewhat lethargic. We thought she ate some poison or something as she once ate a bowl of Halloween candy when we weren’t home and had similar symptoms. We took her to the vet and they did a blood test and found many of her levels off. They suggested we take her to a VCA which we did. There they discovered fluid around her heart and did a blood transfusion where she had to stay overnight. Still not sure what caused this.

She bounced back in a couple days and we took her back to see a cardiologist. He saw a possible mass near her heart with the ultrasound. He said it could be cancerous and something called hemangiosarcoma (first time we heard the dreaded H word). The cardiologist also recommended she take Yunnan Baiyao, 2 pillls twice a day. He suggested we talk to a surgeon so we made an appt. At this point we were still hopeful it was nothing bad.

After meeting with the surgeon, we elected to go with surgery not only to remove the mass but also the sack around the heart where leaking fluid could collect. There was a 15%-20% chance she would not survive the procedure but we knew her chances without it were pretty bad too. Surgery went well and Shelly bounced back in just a few days. Shelly was a fighter. The surgeon thought maybe the mass was not hemangiosarcoma as it was in an area that it usually does not occur.

However, we learned 5 days after the surgery where a biopsy was done and confirmed it was hemangiosarcoma. We couldn’t believe it. The surgeon said the surgery would still give her about 3 more months of life but also recommended chemo.

So the day we had Shelly’s staples pulled from her surgery, she started chemo. She was to get 5 treatments 3 weeks apart. We were told this could add another 3 months. In addition, the oncologist recommended oral chemo, a beta blocker, and 3,000mg a day of IM-Yunity.

Since the surgery and all through her chemo treatments, Shelly did great with no side affects. She was active as ever. Even at the cancer hospital they were very impressed with her progress. Most friends and family couldn’t believe she had such a horrible disease. We enjoyed 5 really good months after her surgery.

All was good until we noticed one night she didn't finish all her food. We also heard her breathing a little heavy. But she went to bed as normal. Then we heard her in the middle of the night get up and then we heard a loud noise as she collapsed. We were panicked and didn’t know what to do. She got up on her own but we took her to the VCA the next morning. They confirmed there was a new mass and she had fluid in her lungs. I saw the scans myself. We were devastated as we thought she was successfully battling this disease and would live longer. They prescribed amino acid pills to help with the internal bleeding.

Then she bounced back again and was normal except she no longer ate her dry food, only real beef, chicken, and liver would do. Then one night again she wouldn’t eat and she collapsed again. This time I gave her the secret red pill from the Yunnan Baiyao package. We knew she was now near the end.

We decided on in-home euthanasia. I called them one morning and scheduled it for the next day. So I stayed home from work the day before to be with her. We had an amazing day! She perked back up and was almost her normal self. We went on 2 walks at her favorite parks, took long car rides, she even ate 2 quarter pounders at McDonalds. At home that night we cooked a steak for her that she ate. She was even begging for food that she hasn’t done in over a week. We thought we need to cancel her euthanasia appt as she seemed better than she’s been in a long time.

But the next morning of her appt she was again lethargic and wouldn’t eat. This time it was worse then ever. We knew it was time. The day before was her gift to us to remember her by. We will always remember and cherish it. But on her final day she took a turn for the worse and collapsed twice. We stopped her from falling her as I was with her the entire time. I thanked her and told her how much I love her repeatedly.

When the vets came to put her at peace, it was time to say the final good-bye. It was really hard. But she gave us 6 months of good quality life and unconditional love after her first symptoms. This disease really sucks but Shelly was not going to go down without a fight. I will always remember her positive spirit and courage as a teaching tool of how to face adversity. This was a really special dog and I feel honored and lucky to have had her in my life.

Love you forever Shelly, until we meet again.

Dec 08, 2017
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My beloved dog was diagnosed today
by: Mike

She had her spleen out on Saturday and after reading up I was somewhat prepared for the worst. Still, the actual diagnosis hits like a ton of bricks.

Writing this to connect with this community and to also say that if you have unused remedies that you would like put to use, please contact me. I would also be interested in hearing from others as to your experience in terms of chemo, alternative remedies and quality of life.

Right now I am leaning toward low dose chemo, turkey tail mushrooms and Yunnan B. I would also like frank information on how death finally comes. It is very important to me that she not suffer.

You can email me at mm2594/gmail.

Dec 03, 2017
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Yunnan Baiyao
by: Anonymous

My Finn passed away this week too and I have one opened Yunnan Baiyao left that I can mail to anyone that needs it free of charge. I believe there are 12 left in the package. E-mail me at rosc_r@yahoo.com if you need it.

Dec 03, 2017
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Yunnan Baiyao
by: JP

I found this blog helpful over the last few weeks. We had to euthanize our 11 year old chow/golden mix last week after his battle with Hemangiosarcoma.

The Yunan Baiyao provided to us by our vet gave us 4+ unbelievable weeks with our dog. He seriously was like a new dog to the point that we thought it might have been a misdiagnosis. I have 4 unopened boxes (16 count) of the supplement that we unfortunately can't use.. I am happy to send them for free to anybody in need. My dog was 60 lbs and we gave him two pills twice a day. The recommended dose probably was 6 pills a day but we didn't do the 5 days on / 5 days off regimen that some suggest. Email me at jpelej66@gmail.com

If I don't respond it is because I already shipped the supplements to somebody.

Oct 23, 2017
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Papillion with Hemangiosarcoma
by: Erin Wands

So sorry to hear about everyone's babies. I know what you all are going through.

After getting some questionable blood work back, my vet sent me to a specialist for my 13 year old papillion. He has a mass on the spleen and a couple of spots on the liver. She told me I could do surgery and chemo but it wouldn't extend his life by a lot and he would feel terrible.

I decided to do a regimen of herbal supplements - Yunnan Baiyao and I'munity, Vitamin K, and Mirtazapine to stimulate his appetite. The specialist said he could live anywhere from 2 weeks to 3 months. So far it has been 5 weeks since we started. He has lost weight and doesn't eat enough but he doesn't seem to be in pain and still wants to go on walks. Just enjoying every day I have with him.

Oct 20, 2017
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Awful
by: Chris

My dog was also diagnosed with this awful cancer (hypodermal hemangiosarcoma) and she has a mass growing slightly above her shoulder. We are contemplating whether to do surgery or not as it will require to amputate her leg.

It's been a rough month trying to find the best solution - I guess the only way to prolong her life is I'm-Yunity? My golden is turning 11 in 2 months.

Oct 15, 2017
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My Golden
by: Anna

I’m so sorry to hear about your babies. My golden was just diagnosed with hemangiosarcoma a month ago and he had surgery as well. We chose not to do chemo, but he is taking all the natural vitamins and herbs for this cancer. I’m so sorry that you and your goldens are going through this - it is so hard to watch them having to go though treatment. I just don’t want him to ever be in pain.

Oct 06, 2017
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Help Please! Should I give little red pill?
by: Skye

My dog Munchkin was diagnosed with hemangiosarcoma in the spleen March 23,2017. He is a mix but mostly Lhasa Apso & weighs 9 kg or almost 20 lbs.

I have Yunnan Baiyao but wasn’t sure if I should give it to him without a Dr’s directions. My Vet. hadn’t heard of it.

Last night he started whining etc. & seems uncomfortable. He only ate a tiny bit this morning, his stomach is bloated.
Should I give him the red emergency pill?

I’m desperate for help, I don’t know if he is too small.

Please help him and thank you.

Oct 05, 2017
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Yunnan Baiyo
by: Anonymous

Hi,

My 10 year old Wheaton has been diagnosed with hemangiosarcoma. Her vet said that surgery and chemo was not an option at this stage as it is all over in her abdomen. Read about the Yunnan Baiyo and I'M Yunnity in this forum. Want my fur baby to feel better and hope she can stay with us longer. Please where can I get the Yunnan Baiyo? Any suggestions will be helpful.

Hugs and kisses to all fur babies out there.

Sep 27, 2017
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Questions
by: Samantha

Hi everyone

My 11 year old pug mix has a mass on his spleen and has gotten a bit bigger since his last ultrasound 6 weeks ago and it also has some Swiss cheese like holes in it.

We are having his spleen removed next Thursday for fear of rupture and not wanting to take that chance. The vet said there is a chance it could be benign but I do not think she believes so.

While researching cancer diets and supplements I came across this forum. I'm wiling to try anything that will help him as well as cooking for him - he already gets boiled chicken with his kibble but just read that kibble should be cut out of his diet as the carbs turn to sugar which feeds the cancer?

I'm just looking for some advice and a place to start.

Thank you!

Sep 23, 2017
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Cardiac hemangiosarcoma
by: Rodica C

My 8 year old sweet wheaten terrier Finn was diagnosed with cardiac hemangiosarcoma 48 hours ago. He had surgery to drain the blood from his pericardium and had to stay an extra day at the hospital because his heart went into arrhythmia during the surgery. They sent him home with heart medication and Yunnan Baiyao 8 pills a day.

We decided not to do chemo since it wouldn't prolong his life much and we just don't want him to get sicker than he is. They warned us that he can bleed out or go into cardiac arrest any time.

He is doing ok now but he is breathing faster and has slowed down a bit. He is eating less but still loves his treats. We still can't wrap our heads around it.

He had a vet appointment 2 weeks ago and everything was ok. The VCA hospital he was at was helpful when he was an emergency but they left me with a lot of questions when they discharged him. The dosage for Yunnan Baiyao is very high and they didn't sent him home with enough to last him through the weekend. Vets around me don't have it and it was very hard to convince the only vet that had it to sell us a package to last us until I get the internet order.

Did anyone get such a high dose? He's only 45 lbs and we go through a pack in 2 days. I'm afraid his liver will suffer if I keep giving him so much.

Sep 18, 2017
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Yunnan Bai Yao daily
by: Donna Sadowsky

Hi Alli,

We continued Pepper on the Yunnan Bai Yao daily the entire time. I would definitely suggest that you do that. We did have to use 2 of the emergency pills recently.

Good luck with your baby, and let me know if you have any other questions.

Donna

Sep 18, 2017
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14 Year old Diagnosed with Hemangiosarcoma
by: Alli W.

Hi Donna,

Thank you so much for your response. It seems like our stories are very similar. I'm so sorry for your loss. It's not easy.

Can I ask you another question. Did you do 5 days on and 5 days off with the Yunan Baiyoa? My vet seemed to think it was ok to continue with it on a daily basis and just hold the red pill for emergencies.

I'm so grateful to have found this forum and to know I'm not alone during this very painful time.

Sep 18, 2017
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Re: Alli W.
by: Donna Sadowsky

Alli, I was able to get the Yunnan Bai Yao from the emergency vet who confirmed the original diagnosis with an ultrasound after my vet suspected it. I would check with the vet first. No reason they can't prescribe it for you unless they are unable to get it for some reason.

I would use Amazon before eBay personally, but would much prefer having it dispensed by a vet. IM Yunnity is available on amazon, I would add that too.

In retrospect, I'm sorry I didn't start him on that from the beginning. Most of the research I was able to find was done on dogs who HAD the surgery first, which Pepper did not. I would also consider placing a call to the University of Pennsylvania Veterinary School. They've done a lot more research on hemangiosarcoma than anyone else.

Good Luck!!

Donna

Sep 18, 2017
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Heartbroken but grateful
by: Donna Sadowsky

I have posted a couple of times to this page regarding Yunnan Bai Yao. For those of you who have posted recently, I am so sorry your are going down this path with your babies.

My baby Pepper was 9 when he was diagnosed with hemangiosarcoma on March 30th of this year. It was sudden onset and totally caught us off guard. We chose not to do surgery because they were only giving him 3-6 weeks without and MAYBE a month or two more if he had a splenectomy. He was a rescue dog and had many issues with anxiety. We didn't want him to go through the anxiety of surgery that wouldn't give him much more quality of life. We put him on the Yunnan Bai Yao and decided to just love him and cuddle him for whatever time he had left.

It is just shy of 6 months since diagnosis and heartbreakingly, we are bringing him in today to let him go.

Within the last week, he stopped eating completely and is clearly suffering now. I'm trying not to second guess my decision against surgery, but I can DEFINITELY say that the Yunnan Bai Yao was a miracle drug for him. No one expected he would have made it this long and frankly up until 2 weeks ago, you'd have never known he was sick. I HIGHLY recommend it and in retrospect, I would probably have added IMYunnity to his daily regimen. Good luck, and love your babies as long as you can! Donna

Sep 18, 2017
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14 Year old Diagnosed with Hemangiosarcoma
by: Alli W

This past Wednesday our almost 15 year old Lab/Pit mix was diagnosed with Hemangiosarcoma.

As many of you have stated, this came out of nowhere and we were devastated. Our options were surgery or putting him to sleep. We just couldn't fathom putting him to sleep that day and surgery was just not an option at his age. We decided to take him home. I'm glad we did, it's now Sunday and he's still with us.

Our dog walker asked if we had heard of Yunnan Baiyao. Our vet (not our regular doctor that day) did not even mention it. Thankfully our Pet Emergency Clinic was willing to give us a box that same night. We gave Pico the red pill and then 2 additional pills every 8 hours. So far he is doing ok. Still eating, walking, etc. We are now on our second package.

As some of you have said, I'm so scared to leave his side. We don't know if we have days or weeks with him. It's also hard to believe he's sick when he seems ok.

I see other people have used Turkey Tail and Mushrooms. I would be grateful to know how this helped your loved ones.

We are still trying to wrap our brains around all of this. We are devastated, tired and emotionally drained. Thank you in advance.

Sep 06, 2017
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My girl just diagnosed yesterday with hermangiosarcoma
by: Kristi A

Hi, my girl is a beautiful blonde husky lab mix, she just turned 12 this weekend and was diagnosed with hemangiosarcoma yesterday. Vet said it's probably been there about 3-4 weeks. She started her on prednisone.

I'm not familiar with Chinese herbs but love to try anything natural to help her. Where do I begin? Do I ask my Vet? Where's a safe place to purchase these herbs? I have Amazon prime if I can get a good source.

I'm her person in the family. She's our first dog. I'm not ready to lose her, but don't want her to suffer. I've been putting some young living oils on her paws and abdomen (thieves, peppermint, and oregano)

Vet also said she has bad arthritis in her spine. She torn her knee a few years ago chasing a cat, so she's been on meds for arthritis and just battled some bladder issues this past year - also on meds for that.

Please help me make my girl comfy. Thank you all. We sure do love our pups!!!

Jul 11, 2017
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Yunnan Baiyao works!
by: Anonymous

The sweetest 100 pounds lap dog lives in our house. He is a mixed lab who had an emergency splenectomy on September 23, 2016, after a total, unexpected collapse that day.

A few days later, the vet confirmed hemangiosarcoma and stated the prognosis would be 2-3 months of life at the most.

After discussing alternatives and opting for nothing heroic, the vet suggested Yunnan Baiyao (found it on eBay). Our dog takes one capsule in the morning and one in the evening. He's never had the emergency "red" pill, just the capsules. He had a visit to the vet two weeks ago and on external, routine examination, the vet said if she didn't know the history, she would say he was simply old, fat, happy and healthy.

We love our dog, just as all who have written on this board and we are amazed every day that he is still with us enjoying his walks, pouncing on lizards, and chasing his buddies around the house. Yunnan Baiyao has given us a remarkable gift of life and a special time with our dog.

Jul 02, 2017
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I'm Yunnity
by: Donna

Has anyone treated their dogs with Yunnan Bai Yao and I'm Yunnity (or turkey tail) WITHOUT having the splenectomy?

My golden has been doing amazing on the Yunnan Bai Yao, but I fear that since he is at the 90 day mark since initial diagnosis that I am debating adding the I'm Yunnity also.

Any research or studies I have found on the internet have only referred to dogs who have had the surgery. We opted against it for a couple of reasons. One, our boy has always had anxiety issues and two, we were told it would not greatly extend life expectancy and we didn't want his last days to be filled with pain recovering from a surgical procedure that wouldn't cure him.

Also, has anyone chosen to go with a less expensive version that has been effective? Thanks!

Jun 12, 2017
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Chinese Med
by: winnie

Hi Donna,

My 12 year old malinois has just diagnosed with splenic hemangiosarcoma and my vet suggested me to try yunzhi (or coriolus).

Since you believe in Chinese medicine, you can research about this product, I have only started it with my doggie for 2 days and I cannot share the experience but it is widely accepted as a good supplement for cancer patients both for canine and human in Hong Kong, especially if under chemo.

Yu nan bai yao is more on controlling bleeding which works differently from Yunzhi.

Few things to note though, don't mix up Yunzhi or Wenzhi with Lingzhi mushroom, they are two different types of mushrooms and the latter is not good for cancer patients, the brand I am using is Oncozac, which is supposed to be a reputable brand in this field but it is expensive. Just to give you a bit more information to think about.

Keep fighting for both of our loved ones.

May 29, 2017
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Yunnan Bai Yao for hemangiosarcoma
by: Donna

My 10 year old golden was recently diagnosed with hemangiosarcoma.

His diagnosis completely blindsided us as he was perfectly healthy until one Thursday morning when he threw up his breakfast. That didn't alarm me, but he became extremely lethargic and several hours later I was able to see his third eyelid as if he was on a sedative.

I brought him to the vet that afternoon because I thought he ingested something. My vet did blood work and an x-ray, and her diagnosis was confirmed by a specialist the next morning after an ultrasound. The specialist put him on Yunnan Bai Yao and gave a prognosis of 2 - 6 weeks.

I initially didn't think he'd make it through the weekend. The first few days he was urinating what looked like pure blood, but then it completely stopped.

It is now 9 weeks later and he has been acting perfectly normal with high energy. I almost question whether or not he was misdiagnosed (wishful thinking), but we look at every day as a gift at this point.

We opted not to do any surgery as we were told it would not do much but extend his life by a short period of time and I didn't want to put him through surgery when it wouldn't have made a substantial difference.

I am a firm believer in Chinese medicine, and this herb has made a SUBSTANTIAL difference in my dog's life. I highly recommend trying it!

May 10, 2017
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My beloved Riley Chance
by: Anonymous

My 8 year old Cane Corso/ boxer mix named Riley was diagnosed with hemangiosarcoma the beginning of February.

We had it removed and are giving him chemo (small dosage pills). Recently the past month the tumors are back. They are huge!

He still runs, plays, eats, and drinks water regularly. I had him X-rayed over a month ago and every thing looked fine. But that was before he developed more tumors.

He doesn't seem like he's in pain but the tumors look painful and are so big. I do not want to put him through surgery again. I am unsure of when his time will be but this terrible disease is very heartbreaking for our family.

He also has two siblings Rosie and Winston. They are English Bulldogs. I think I am more sad for my Rosie to lose her big brother. They are so very close. They love each other immensely. I hope she can cope when the time comes.

I cry often about this all. I am giving him the best life that I can in the meantime. Lots of walks, park time, play time, car rides... I let him eat whatever he wants. He actually has gained some weight. This might not be good for the cancer but I do not care at this point. I am doing whatever makes him happy.

Apr 15, 2017
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Update on Jack
by: JB

I posted back in September about my mini schnauzer Jack "Buddy". He was diagnosed 6/30/16 and recently passed away 4/6/17.

He made it 40 weeks with an amazing quality of life! He had a splenectomy, and started on I'm Yunity, Yunnan Baiyao and acupuncture. He was doing so well we questioned "does he really have cancer".

Unfortunately a few days before he passed he began vomiting a few times a day, not wanting to eat (which he never missed a meal!) and his gums were white:( I knew then my precious boy was indeed sick:( 2 days later he would take 2 steps and collapse from the anemia and had to be carried out to potty.

We had to make the heart wrenching choice and decided to put him at peace as he didn't enjoy his normal 5 things (our vet had us list his favorite 5 things in the beginning). I'm so grateful he made it to his 8th birthday and we had 28 additional weeks thanks to his Chinese herbs.

My heart is shattered and I miss my boy terribly. I hope my post helps for anyone on the fence if this works or not. It's not a cure but gave him a great quality of life and extra time with his family to do the things he loved.

Apr 15, 2017
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Need Yunnan Baiyao fast
by: Jill

Dear Anonymous -
If you can email me by 11 am CDT tomorrow (15 April), I will send you a box in the mail and you will probably get it by Tuesday. It should hold you over until you can buy a box :-)

We are moving cross-country on Monday, so tomorrow will be my only chance to mail this. Hope it will help.

deldavis1929@aol.com

Jill

Apr 14, 2017
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Need Yunnan Baiyao fast
by: Jill

I was not able to purchase Yunnan Baiyao on Amazon - but I found an eBay seller that was very helpful:
http://www.ebay.com/usr/besthealthy?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2754

Even with eBay it may take a week to get it. You might want to try emailing Shane at: miracleherbs1104@gmail.com
He was helpful in expediting the last shipment to me.

Wishing you the best - Jill

Apr 14, 2017
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YB fast
by: Anonymous

Amazon will have it. 2 day shipping for prime members. I'm not sure where you are, but in Tulsa, OK, you can contact Dr. Heather Owen (918) 728-2351. Good luck!

Apr 14, 2017
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Help
by: Anonymous

Where can I get yunnan baiyao fast?

Feb 14, 2017
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Love
by: Heather

It's been a while since I've posted on this site, but the last few posts have really resonated with me, and since it's Valentine's Day I thought I'd share my story in hopes it will help someone.

In the summer of 2015, my sweet baby Kendall was diagnosed with hemangiosarcoma. We were obviously devastated, but swiftly moved to action like many of you all have. Kendie was on YB, a homemade cancer diet, additional herbal supplements, received acupuncture, and underwent a splenectomy.

Despite our best efforts and all of our love, we made the hardest decision of my life just a short 7 weeks later. Regarding euthanasia, I agree with a recent post titled "you'll know".

One weekend was especially bad, Kendie couldn't walk and was clearly in pain. In my heart, I knew it was coming but just couldn't bring myself to let her go. That same weekend in the middle of Sunday night, I woke and Kendie was gone. She had dragged herself to the back door to go potty. I picked her up to place her in the grass and she let out a horrible cry. I set her down and she looked at me with the saddest eyes and I knew she was asking me to end this pain and suffering.

My husband got her back inside and I told him, it's time. The next day I stayed home from work and we hung out all day, we got a puppy cone from a local ice cream and drove all around town with the window down until we made our way to the vet.

Kendall was ready. We were not. But you'll know when the time is right because your sweet baby will tell you. And, they won't judge you for it, they'll love you because you had the strength to give them the gift of a peaceful passing.

Give lots of hugs and kisses and take lots of pictures. Good luck to everyone who is struggling through this horrible disease with their sweet babies.

Feb 14, 2017
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RE: Little red pill
by: Jill

Hi Amy - one little red "emergency" pill is included in each package of yunnan baiyao.

It's easy to miss -- the little red round pill is slightly smaller than a BB and is found in the middle of the capsule packet covered with foil. There are no obvious markings on the foil packet that indicate the pill inside. We remove the red pill and store it separately in a pill bottle.

Claire (our 60 lb Irish Setter) gets 6 capsules per day, so we're going through 3 packages of yunnan baiyao each week and storing up those pills just in case!

We also give her I'm-Yunity (6 per day) -- you can order from the company online. However, I would suggest that you call I'm-Yunity the first time and talk to them before ordering. They have a rewards program that includes free shipping and bonus capsules every three months (after your first order). Their customer service is excellent and they are very helpful about answering questions, dosage information, etc.

Claire has been on the I'm-Yunity and yunnan baiyao with absolutely no side effects. She has had a couple of micro-bleeds that scared us, but that magic red pill brought her right back, and she's just as sassy and active as she was before the hemangiosarcoma. We are very optimistic that she will live with this for a long, long time.

Blessings, Jill

Feb 13, 2017
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Little red pill
by: Anonymous

What is this little red pill you all mention? Are your dogs on I'm Yunity the herbal supplement for dogs?

Thanks.
Amy

Feb 12, 2017
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Yunnan baiyao dosage
by: Jill

Dear CharlieAnn,

Please take a look at this link: http://www.veterinaryplace.com/dog-medicine/yunnan-baiyao-for-dogs/

Based on your dog's weight, you should be able to give him two capsules twice a day. I have had two dogs with hemangiosarcoma (one lived a year, the other just hit the four month mark!) and have never had any kind of side effect with the yunnan baiyao.

Also - that little red pill is amazing! Our Claire had a bleed on New Year's Eve, and we thought we were going to lose her. Her gums and ears were white, she could hardly walk and her abdomen was quite swollen. I gave her the red pill and we rushed her to the vet. Before the vet was even able to examine her (about 45 minutes), her gums pinked up and she was on her way back to normal. The ultrasound showed that her abdomen was full of blood, so we kept her quiet for a week or so while it re-absorbed. She had no other treatment (no transfusion, IV fluids, etc).

She's had two more minor incidents since then, and each time that magic red pill has done the trick. In addition to six capsules of yunnan baiyao daily, she is on I'm-Yunity (6 per day) and piroxicam. We know that the day will come when the treatments and the red pill will not work, but until then we cherish every day with our girl.

The euthanasia decision is so hard ... and you're so right about the month-too-soon/week-too late issue. We have had 13 dogs and sadly not one has had a "natural" passing. We made each of our decisions based on the dog's quality of life. If she couldn't eat, couldn't walk, was totally incontinent (not just urinating but unable to control her bowels, too), didn't play, and appeared to be in pain (lots of panting, whining, secluding herself), we knew that it probably was time.

When our other dog Sasha had hemangiosarcoma, her second bleed (one year after splenectomy) caused a total crash. One minute she was fine, the next she was nearly gone. The vet told us that there was no way to control the internal bleeding, so we made the decision to let her go.

If you have never had to put a dog to sleep before, please be assured that it is a very peaceful and loving experience. We've been there for each of our pups, holding them close and telling them how much we love them. Don't be afraid to be there with them. A part of your heart will go with them when they cross that Rainbow Bridge, but you know you'll get it back someday when you're with them again.

Feb 12, 2017
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How much Yunnan Baiyou
by: CharlieAnn

Can anyone give me advice as to how much Yunnan Baiyao I should be giving my Labradoodle. He is 12 & had surgery Nov 10, 2016 to remove a large tumor from his neck that was hemangiosarcoma. He was 52 lbs at that time. He has lost weight & is now down to 43 lbs.

I was giving him only one capsule per day, but in reading some posts I'm wondering if I should be giving him more. I have never given him the little red emergency pill. For the last week he has been at the kennel while I was out of town, and I had them giving him two capsules per day "just in case." I wanted to make sure he'd survive 'til I got back!

His gums sometimes are quite pale, and I think I need to have him put to sleep. But then his gums will go back to pink, albeit a paler version of what were his normal pink gums. We almost lost him in April 2015 when a tumor on his spleen ruptured. I recognized the symptoms immediately and got him to emergency where they did surgery to remove the tumor and his spleen. They did a biopsy of his liver then, too. All of the pathology came back clean. We were so excited when we got that news since we were fully expecting and dreading a cancer diagnosis!

All of the time he's been with us since then has been an extra blessing; so this recent diagnosis hasn't been terribly difficult, and I'm kind of glad to know what's coming versus him dying unexpectedly. I don't want him to suffer AT ALL and I'm having difficulty deciding whether I should put him down. As I hear many vets say, I'd rather put him down a month too early than a week too late.

In the meantime I'm giving him Yunnan Baiyao and turkeytail extract (it's I'mYunity's primary ingredient & is much less expensive.) How much Yunnan Baiyao should I be giving him? Any advice on making the euthanasia decision will be greatly appreciated as well.

Feb 11, 2017
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You'll know
by: Anonymous

My dog that was diagnosed October last year passed away exactly 6 weeks later. She was fine right up until one afternoon and I just knew by looking at her it was her time. We live 280 kms from the vet so we were going to take her in the morning once they had opened. She wasn't in pain - she just got very weak very quickly.

Lucky for us she passed away in bed with us that night. I couldn't have asked for a better ending for her. So honestly I think we just know these things because for 6 weeks I was worried about the same thing but when that day came I just knew.

Good luck with your baby, give lots of hugs and kisses.

Feb 10, 2017
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When will I know the time has come
by: Anonymous

My beautiful girl Olivia, a miniature schnauzer, was diagnosed in Aug/16 with splenic cancer. We had her spleen removed and vet said no other spread seen. We did not want chemo as this cancer has such a poor prognosis so we thought why put her through the side effects of chemo.

Instead she has been on yunnan baiyou and homemade food since her surgery in Sept/16. She was great after surgery. She regained the Elba she had lost, she was energetic, loving her walks, and she was playful. But since about 2 weeks ago she had been losing weight again and had been collapsing each time her heart pound so fast for at least 5 min. She has had about 5 of these episodes.

I know this means the end is near but she still enjoys food and squeaks her toys. I am devastated beyond belief and cannot imagine my life without her.

My question is when will I know It's time to put her to sleep. She still seems to enjoy life. My poor baby.

Jan 13, 2017
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Response to 10/23
by: Anonymous

I have an 11 year old rottie-mx who is currently fighting splenic hemangiosarcoma. He was diagnosed in November 2015. We were fortunate enough to identify the tumor before a serious rupture occurred.

Since the prognosis was so poor with the standard treatment of splenectomy and chemotherapy, my husband, who is a scientist (albeit not one with expertise in cancer research), did a review of the scientific literature on splenic hemagiosarcoma to explore other options.

We ultimately decided to completely forgo both the splenectomy and chemotherapy. Instead we chose a regimen of I'munity and Yunnan Baiyao. We also started feeding our dog a "cancer diet" of homemade dog food (mixing the supplements into the food). Our aim was simply to prolong the dog's life and to try to give him a good quality of life for his remaining days.

We did not have high expectations. There is only a little evidence to support this approach. However, this dog has been living with his hemangiosarcom for over a year now.

He has had some low energy days when he is also reluctant to eat. On those days, we give him the little red emergency dose pill that comes in the Yunnan Baiyao box to combat the suspected microbleed.

Otherwise, he has been living with his cancer, and still seems happy and ready for his walk every morning. It has been over a year since his diagnosis and we are amazed that he is still with us. This is so much more time than we ever have hoped we would have with this old friend of ours and we are so very grateful.

I hope this post is helpful. My deepest sympathies to those how have lost their furry friends.

Dec 31, 2016
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Helping pups take pills
by: Jill

First, thank you to all who have shared your experiences. Our sweet 10 year old Irish Setter is currently fighting hemangiosarcoma, too. She was diagnosed in October 2016 after she suddenly collapsed (white gums, swollen abdomen -- we knew what it was immediately as we lost another pup to the same disease in 2006). She recovered rapidly after an emergency splenectomy. We decided against chemo for a variety of reasons, and instead chose a regimen of I'munity (6 per day), Yunnan Baiyao (6 per day), piroxicam (one every other day), and Pepcid (twice daily to help with stomach upset from the piroxicam). We discovered a great way to help her get those meds down - NutriCal paste. It's inexpenisve and available online and in most vet offices and pet stores. We just put the pills on our hand, put a good size glob of NutriCal on the pills (it's very sticky, but the dogs love it), and then place the glob far back on her tongue. If there's any left on your hand, just wipe it on her muzzle -- she'll lick it right off. This technique has worked perfectly for us every time, twice a day. Maybe not as easy as trying to hide it in her food, but it is effective!

Oct 23, 2016
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Response to Oct 23 2016
by: C D

Is it really 10/23/16? I have 2 posts on this board; the last post was 10 months ago. I am still so devastated over losing my son, a chow mix, even if He was 16 and with a devastating cancer. I also lost another paw son 11/2014 to hemangiosarcoma.

I am still lost in time, but have researched personally in addition consulted many alternative vets. There are so many loving intense bonds on this board of people with their companions, it is a comfort and educating experience. I will share what I have learned and what I used, and the outcomes.

With my 38 lb beagle mix who had hemangiosarcoma, the symptoms which alerted me to something wrong were: a decrease in activity, and a loss of appetite. This slow-down was notable for a length of time, and since he was 13 a vet suggested it was arthritis. I gave him additional fish oil, and Dasuquin. (I have since learned that the wrong type of omegas can actually de detrimental to cancer.)

After a length of time with no improvement, I took him back to my vet with his deterioration presentation; an X-ray showed the splenic mass. The next day he was with an ACVS surgeon specialty center and had a very skilled removal of the mass which was in an active bleed. Fortunately, the right surgeon was spectacular and I had pet insurance. It was the awful cancer: hemangiosarcoma. The prognosis was limited time left. This was in Feb 2014.

My sweet beagle lived a very happy spring and summer and all the way to Thanksgiving, with good diet and supplements. I used the turkey tail mushroom along with supportive supplements.The last weeks, and well over a month, I used the yunnan baiyao as described in my earlier post because the disease was now back and giving trouble. The yunnan was very helpful, and my sweet little beagle was a character and my little copilot until the end. He always wanted to ride, no matter what. And ride he did! As long as he showed interest, I let him live.

Contrary to what some people and some vets told me, I let my beagle buddy tell me when he was ready to exit this life. He wanted to go on that last ride with me, he had a good time, but driving home I thought he was rather quiet. He did not want to exit the car in the driveway, so when I went to pick him up, I felt the swollen belly, and he could not stand. I carried him to his spot in the kitchen and gave him the little red pill of yunnan (as described in my earlier post). This pill, in the past, had worked to reabsorb the bleeding. My beagle buddy felt a little better, and actually started howling (that hound dog howl) to my other dog who was barking outside. But that was it. He was ready to go.

My little copilot died of a massive bleed in my arms, on his bed in the kitchen about 10-15 minutes after he gave that last hound dog howl. I am in tears now remembering. The little crew member copilot did his life the way he wanted.

Oct 23, 2016
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Looking for advice
by: Anonymous

My 10 yr old Rottie x Cattle has recently been diagnosed with hemangiosarcoma, 3 days ago to be precise. We only noticed something when she had blood in the urine.

She has a large tumor in her spleen and a smaller one in her kidney and a lot of small nodules in her lungs. I am trying to make the best decision for her and it's truly heartbreaking to make.

We have decided that seeing as she is happy, is in no pain and still genuinely well that we are going to forgo surgery and chemo because that would just put her in unnecessary pain and I want the rest of her days to be happy pain free ones.

I'm just wondering how long other people's babies have lived for when they have opted for no surgery or chemo. I'm struggling with not knowing when the end will be and I'm finding it hard to leave her in case she goes. Any advice on how you cope with this would be appreciated.

Sep 09, 2016
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Alternative therapy for hemangiosarcoma
by: JB

My 7 yr mini schnauzer, Jack "Buddy", was diagnosed with hemangiosarcoma. We caught it very early before any metastasis.

A week later on 6/30/16 he had his spleen removed. I opted to forego chemo and have gone the holistic route. He is on I'm Yunity and Yunnan Baiyao. He started acupuncture weekly and is now going every 3 wks.

To look at him you wouldn't know he is sick. He loves his food, walks and exploring! So far we have made it 10 wks as the statistics say 19-86 days. I am pleased with how well he is doing and thankful for this time with him.

Everyone on this site is a dog lover and to lose you best friend is devastating:( I wish everyone the best in this journey.

Mar 10, 2016
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Dermal hemangiosarcoma
by: Anonymous

My sweet boy was diagnosed July 2014 with hemangiosarcoma after removal of the lesions on his belly. They were excised cleanly and he is in great health otherwise. Now the lesions are back. He is an older guy (11 this year) and I am struggling with deciding on whether to take him back and put him through the stress of surgery and recovery again.

Does anyone in here have any experience with dermal hemangio?

Jan 29, 2016
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Thank you
by: CD

I just lost my 16 yr old sweet son, my happy as always chow mix. His cancer leg just crumbled and the mets started in the neck with a huge mass. Even though he could no longer move his spirit was stronger than ever. He was eating, playful. I miss him so much. That dreaded decision was the worst moment. I am crying now since December 14. My paw son was my family, my happiness, my life. I miss him so much. I certainly would have tried this pet span and will still check into it.

Jan 29, 2016
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Hemangiosarcoma info
by: Anonymous

My boxer was diagnosed with hemangiosarcoma 6 months ago. She had a tumor on her spleen that ruptured. They removed the spleen and the tumor. A few weeks later I went to another vet that gave me a supplement called petspan. I can't say enough about this. It is amazing and has done wonders for her. You can buy it online without a prescription. One of its benefits is delaying or preventing new tumors from metastasize.

Oct 27, 2015
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Thank you
by: Anonymous

Thank you, Angna
I wish you the best with your pets as well.
Nancy

Oct 27, 2015
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So sorry
by: Angna

I'm so very sorry to hear about your beloved Winston, I truly know what you're going through and how heartbreaking it is. I'm the one that started this hemangiosarcoma feed when I lost both of my beautiful Goldens, Max and Erin, from this dreaded disease a year and a half apart.

I didn't know until I did research that Goldens are so prone to getting this horrendous disease. It's been very hard for me to deal with but it gets better. I can finally see another Golden without tearing up so I think that's progress. I know there is research being done to determine why they are so prone to it and maybe find a way to control it, I pray that day comes soon. Sadly my Lab Sadie has been diagnosed with some type of sarcoma and we are in the process of determining what kind this week, I'm really not ready to go down this road again...

I send thoughts and prayers for you and your family.

Oct 26, 2015
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Very sad day...
by: Anonymous

Today we had to make the choice to let our beloved Golden, Winston, go. He was 9 1/2 years old. He became ill two weeks ago from what our vet thought was an infection. He rebounded for a bit, and then would worsen. He was quite lame, stiff, not eating much, then yesterday he collapsed and could not get up from the floor. We returned to the vet and he said he might have a tumor somewhere in his belly, and there was blood in his stomach.

After an ultrasound this morning the vet said he was filled with cancer, spleen, liver, kidneys, everywhere. She was worried that these multiple tumors could rupture in a short time (hours) and he would bleed to death. We had no choice but to let him go. Heartbroken doesn't even begin to say how we feel, we've lost our buddy, our baby, our big smiling boy.

Hopefully they will find out how to detect and treat this horrible disease more effectively. Thanks for reading, blessings to all.

Oct 23, 2015
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Response
by: Anonymous

I am so sorry to hear about your sweet Golden. I think you are making the right decision by keeping her comfortable and enjoying your time with her. Take lots of pictures and try to be as present as possible. No matter how much time you get with her, it will never have been enough.

Good luck to you and your sweet girl.

Oct 20, 2015
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Another Newly Diagnosed
by: Anonymous

Our 11.5 year old Golden was losing weight so we brought her to the vet in August and got the bad news.

When she came back from the vet (I don’t know what triggered it that day) she had black stool and could not get up, wobbly at best. I honestly didn’t think she was going to make it through the weekend and I was preparing for the worst.

However, over the course of a week she made a comeback and her stool is now normal. She’s been great and I’ve been able to walk her. My fall walks have been extra special, but I know the day is coming. The vet said it could be weeks to a couple of months, but don’t expect 6 months.

It’s been two months now since we got the diagnosis. I’m not doing surgery. I just want her to be comfortable and I will not let her suffer. Despite my mental preparation, I’m going to be a complete wreck when it happens, but for right now I’m thankful for every day with her. She does pant at times at night when she wakes and groans very briefly just as she is lying down.

Oct 06, 2015
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Our experience with hemangiosarcoma
by: Heather

I am so sorry to hear about your golden. Hemangiosarcoma is a devastating disease, and unfortunately, once it is diagnosed it is often very far advanced. I am not sure where you are located, but I would look into a holistic vet.

Per the advice of our holistic vet, we changed Kendall's diet, started her on Standard Process Whole Body Immune Support supplements, increased her vitamin A consumption, gave her a Chinese herbal medicine (yunnan baiyao). She did acupuncture, had a splenectomy, and she was on a variety of pain meds.

In the end, we had to make the horrible decision to put her to sleep after only 7.5 weeks. She was in so much pain. She couldn't walk, go potty, or do anything. It was the hardest decision of my life, and I am absolutely heart-broken. I hope your Golden's fight is longer and less painful than our Kendall's.

My advice would be to try anything and everything (given your financial resources) you can to keep your baby comfortable and with you as long as possible. But in the end, I think the most important thing you can do is to take time to be with your Golden. Just sit and play and love.

Oct 06, 2015
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Newly Diagnosed
by: Anonymous

My 10 year old golden was diagnosed today with hermangiosarcoma. I am at a loss, as I am uncertain what to do next. I have made the decision not to give chemotherapy. I want to make her as comfortable as possible -- she is eating and vibrate -- just very deep breathing/panting and groaning at night while resting. I am hoping that we have some time with her as it is difficult for my children to accept the fact that she is ill.

I wanted to know how long your dogs lived without treatment and what I can expect.

Aug 20, 2015
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My sweet Kendall
by: Heather

Three weeks ago Kendall, my nearly 10-year-old blue heeler mix, had a series of seizures that led us to the ER vet in the middle of the night. We followed up with our primary vet the next morning and were told she likely had a brain tumor. I was in shock. We started her on seizure meds, and I began looking into holistic treatments.

I found a great vet, changed her diet, and started her on immune boosting supplements. She was doing so well, or so we thought. Last Sunday I could not control her breathing so I took her again to the vet. I thought her abdomen seemed bloated, but the vet said he didn't think so but that he was concerned about her low RBC and platelet counts. We followed up with the primary the next morning and she immediately noticed Kendall's swollen abdomen. She recommended an ultrasound so we went later that day.

The vet oncologist said Kendall had tumors all over her spleen and that it was hemangiosarcoma. She said Kendall's seizures were likely due to micro-bleeds and that she probably had another bleed over the weekend and that is what caused the uncontrollable fast heart rate and shortness of breath.

I started her on yunnan baiyao on Tuesday and she seems a little stronger, though it has only been three days.

All three vets (primary, holistic, and oncologist) support our decision to forgo surgery as the cancer is so far advanced and she may not even make it off of the table.

I am devastated. I can hardly go to work, and saying goodbye to her as if it is the last time is breaking my heart. I adopted Kendall during a very hard time in my life and I attribute her presence to my healing. Our relationship has truly been remarkable, and I am simply at a loss that our time together could be ending so soon and abruptly.

In the meantime, I am reading all that I can on this disease, and I am so grateful l stumbled upon this site. I am so sorry to hear about all of your painful losses. I am learning so quickly how terrible this disease is, but reading your stories makes me feel less alone. Any help or information would be greatly appreciated.

Feb 14, 2015
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Pain Help
by: Tracy

My Duff has this horrible cancer and had emergency splenectomy back in April 2014. He is starting to have weakness in his hind area and I don't know if it's from the cancer. He whines, but not sure if it's because of pain.

He is on Yunnan and Immunity and Liver and Gallbladder supplements. Also Noni and Oncolyn, and Herbal Extract.

Is there anything he can have to help if he is having joint and muscle pain? Afraid to give aspirin or Metacam due to internal bleeding issue.
Started Glucosamine Chondroitin.

He is on a raw complete diet, gets egg and sweet potatoes, yogurt and sardines, cottage cheese and
salmon oil.

The Vet told me a while back he had arthritis in his tail bone area, but I never noticed any issue, until now with the cancer.

Jan 31, 2015
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Golden with Hemangiosarcoma
by: Tal

Hi all, first let me say this is one of the better forums I have come across. I am so sorry for your losses.

Our 8 year old Golden Sprinter was diagnosed with Hemangiosarcoma last week, 3 main subcutaneous tumors and a few cutaneous (on the skin) that have been surgically removed, but they seem to be popping up again and multiplying. The larger tumors are too vascular and inoperable, and with one in each leg amputation is not an option. Fortunately the vital organs are still clean. We decided against chemo because Sprinter would absolutely hate it.

Regarding Yunnan Baiyao, our experience has been positive. After a biopsy in the shoulder the incision would not coagulate and the site bled for 5 days. On top of it there seemed to be internal bleeding with patches of crimson spreading larger every day. A specialist ER vet gave us the Yunnan Baiyao and within 2 days the bleeding stopped and the internal blood pools were reabsorbed. So if you are dealing with hemangiosarcoma add these herbs on the treatment list.

We are trying to figure out a natural, more holistic approach to boost the immunne system. Has anyone read and or implemented the diet by Buck Precht, "Henry's Amazing Dog Cancer Diet"? He claims the diet caused the cancer to go into remission, but being a skeptic I wanted to see if anyone has heard or tried this out?

Any advice would be appreciated.

Nov 21, 2014
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Dosage of yunnan baiyou
by: cd

My vet recommended 2-3 caps as tolerated for a 38 lb beagle mix dog. He has appetite issues, and it's hard to convince him to take the caps hidden in something tasty. I think it must have a bad smell/taste for him, he is reluctant to take them. I usually have to just pop it in his mouth. Have found great benefit however. I have used the tiny red pill in emergency collapses from the bleeds with success. Then, I wait 8 hours before the regular capsule. (Every 8 hours if possible.) It states only one per day in emergency for the tiny red pill.

Best to all who try this alternative. This is a very bad disease and I also lately use prednisone and another appetite stimulant.

Oct 18, 2014
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Yunnan Baiyao
by: Leslie

My beautiful great dane Lola was dx with hemangiosarcoma and was operated on for spleen removal last Thursday. She will will be going for stitch removal and beginning a round of chemo next week after I meet with the oncologist on Thursday.

She is nine and a half witch is quite elderly for a dane but I will do everything in my power to help her. My question is what dosage and how often have you all been advised to use yunnan baiyao.

My surgeon does not see the need for it but from what I am reading think it may not help but can't hurt.

She is 150lbs so human dose seems appropriate but how much and how often? Some sites say every other day, some five on five off, some say two weeks and stop. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Jan 15, 2014
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Yunnan Baiyou
by: Stephen Braun

My Golden was near death and diagnosed with hemangiosarcoma 12/13/13. My vet was honest about the severity of the disease and slim hope, but prescribed Yunnan Baiyou, 2 capsules/day. I almost didn't give my dog the pills - I thought it would be useless.

But I did.

24 hours later, Gus was up, alert, eating, walking...a regular Lazarus. It's been more than a month now and, though he's tired sometimes, he's still very much alive and part of our life. Could this have been a coincidence? Of course - but I think that's less likely than that the herbs have stopped the internal bleeding. Controlled clinical trials are needed, but, in the meantime, I highly recommend this product to anyone with a dog with internal bleeding. You can buy it on Amazon, but it takes about 3 weeks to arrive.

Sep 26, 2013
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Pain management without surgery
by: Anonymous

Try this Chinese medicine, Yunnan baiyao for pain management. You can buy it on Amazon, and it has miraculous effects, increasing quality of life. Over the years, I've lost 4 lovely goldens, and, finally discovered Yunnan Baiyao, which has changed the game. My dog is happy, and plays with other dogs. Not cured, but at least the time he has remaining is much less painful, and he has some quality of life without prohibitive expense.

May 04, 2013
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by: libbys humans

Susan,

Libby's humans here. I can tell from your writing that you loved your lady very much. We felt just as you did about not getting another dog for quite a while, the pain was just too immense for us. Fortunately for us, it was something that is in our nature being animal lovers that it was not our decision to make when we would get another dog or (any other pet).

This story is how we came to be Rooney's humans. 3 days after we lost Libby we were miserable and wondering what to do with ourselves and in the busiest intersection in our town. I looked out the driver's window and there is a pug in the left turn lane looking at us. I yelled loudly at him to try to scare him to run out of the intersection before he was ran over. When the light changed we had to drive through the intersection and then I had to pull over as my wife said he was running across the intersection after our car. We stopped quickly and she jumped out of the car to try to grab (Rooney) as he was running up. Instead he just jumped right in our car! We stopped at the convenience store on that corner to ask them if they knew who he belonged to and they did not know, they have been trying to catch him the last 7 times he was loose running in the intersection and their parking lot and he would not let any of them get close to him. We found out his former humans were not taking care of him and did not want him. So now we have Roney, he adopted us and not the other way around. We took this as a gift from Libby to ease the pain.

There will be another dog that will need you, that is when you will know it is time. Hope this helps you, it sure surprised us. We weren't ready but he was.

Libby's humans

May 04, 2013
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Lost my Lady to Hemangiosarcoma
by: Susan

Lost my 11 year old dog, Lady, to Hemangiosarcoma. She was my first dog and only pet. Adopted her when my children were young and I was 47 years old. Did not know/realize how very sick she was. Saw changes in her but my Vet attributed it to her advanced age. Came downstairs Sunday morning and she could not get up off her mat. (She ALWAYS slept upstairs with me but not this night). She also did not eat for two days.

Took her to the Vet the Wednesday before and he ordered blood work and said red and white blood cell counts were wrong and needed to take X-rays. Ordered them for the following Tuesday. I asked if I could bring her in sooner as I sensed something serious. The Vets office said that was not necessary. Lady died in my arms that Sunday at the pet hospital. Only THEN did I find out from her x-ray that 50% on her chest cavity was filled with the tumor! She died within the hour!

I was shocked, horrified and incredibly sad. Still am. I think I just might have been too old to have a dog as I had absolutely no idea it would hurt this much and for this long. I feel as though I lost a child, I'm grieving so hard. I blame myself for not seeing certain signs in her and not knowing my dog well enough to know that she was so sick. I feel like I failed her and wonder if she was in any pain and did I prolong it by my stupidity.

I think about maybe getting another dog someday as I'm lonely without one. I feel like something is missing, just can't explain that one. Maybe you all know what I mean. But I'm absolutely traumatized to get another one.

Apr 05, 2013
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Just a few words
by: Angna, Erin's mom

Serena, I'm so sorry you are going through this.

I lost my golden girl Erin on Sept. 11th after a year and a half battle with hemangiosarcoma. It still pains me to talk about it but if I can be of any help at all, I'm here.

Erin's also originated in the spleen and luckily due to a scan she had surgery before it ruptured. We live in Tulsa OK. and were referred to Oklahoma Veterinary Specialists in Jenks OK. I can't say enough about the outstanding care and compassion we received there. Erin was 12 years old and handled chemo treatment with NO side effects. We had a beautiful extra pain free year with her thanks to that.

In Sept. she seemed to be a little more tired and I noticed some labored breathing at times. When we went for the new scan it had spread to her lungs and she only lived another 2 weeks. She passed on her own so we didn't have to make that decision.

My other golden passed from this same cancer at 12 yrs. also 2 years ago and he only lived 6 mos. His was inoperable being too near his heart but he was pain free until the last day when he collapsed from the tumor bursting.

My point is every case is different and I don't envy you this journey. While your baby is pain free I would cherish every day with them. I think you and your vet will know if euthanasia is necessary.

Sending thoughts and prayers for you and your precious dog.

Apr 05, 2013
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Hemangiosarcoma in my golden
by: Serena

Thank you for your response Libby's Humans. I am so torn about euthanasia. I don't want to wait too long but, for now, he seems fine.

Apr 05, 2013
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Serena
by: Libby's humans

Serena:

I can understand what you are feeling. My first suggestion would be to go to a specialist veterinarian school/hospital. We live in Kansas and whenever something is beyond our local veterinarians we go to Kansas State University veterinary hospital. This school will tell you what they see and will not sugarcoat it but you will know for sure what you are dealing with. If in fact she has hemangiosarcoma and it has spread through that much of her internal organs, she needs to be at home with you and get your love as much as possible.

It has been a year since we lost Libby, it was originally in her spleen and we had it removed. But within 6 months it had moved into her heart and we could not stop it from progressing.

Do your best and give her constant love and compassion. We will keep you in our prayers.

Apr 05, 2013
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Any advice appreciated
by: Serena

My golden was at the vet in February for his physical and vaccinations. He is 8 years old. Has been perfectly fine except for some limping and a recent gagging type cough (which has gone away). Took him to the vet last week for the limping and she gave me painkillers and told me the cough was probably kennel cough.

Two days ago he collapsed outside, I got him into the house and he rested in his bed. The next morning he was eating and walking but still looked weak. I brought him back to the vet where they took x-rays and told me he had hemangiosarcoma. They showed me x-rays which indicated a huge mass pushing into the stomach and various spots in the lungs which they said were tumors.

I brought him home, and have had him here since then. He is acting fine, a little breathless but eating, playing and enjoying the attention. I have read about some herbs that may help with this.. though I am skeptical. The vet said he would only live a couple of weeks.

I don't understand how he could get a clean bill of health two months ago and have only two weeks to live. He does not seem like a dog that should be euthanized yet... I don't know what to do.

Jan 14, 2013
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To Francie
by: Hillary

So sorry to hear about Duffy. It is so difficult to see a loyal companion suffer.

My dog, Olli, underwent splenectomy (3 lb spleen ready to rupture!) for presumed hemangiosarcoma (turned out to be lymphoma). She has done wonderfully on chemo. I am not sure of the treatment for hemangiosarcoma but I know that I am so grateful that we had the operation. I would have always wondered if I had not decided to treat her aggressively.

Please keep us updated.

Dec 31, 2012
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My second dog with hemangiosarcoma
by: Francie

My heart goes out to all who have written on this site.

I lost my Bichon mix Reggie to this cancer 8 years ago, and am now watching my rescued pit bull (with a little Irish Setter) Duffy suffer the same fate.

Duffy was rescued the same day my Lab Chili died of lymphoma the summer of 1998, a starving abused pit bull puppy. She has been my baby girl ever since, always needy, so loving, very spoiled and a happy, happy puppy. This is so hard for her, as she does not deal well with pain. (She's on Tramadol and Rimadyl.)

She has an enormous, very hard lump attached to her gluteus muscle that has caused weakness in her right hind leg. Every time she has a rupture somewhere I think it's the end, then after a couple of days she perks up, albeit with a little less energy with each successive episode. It's so hard to know when. Reggie had the same episodes for three months until his spleen ruptured. We were all there when it happened; it looked like a massive seizure.

How do I help Duffy avoid this? She's still eating - steak, turkey and hamburger now, no more dog food - and still goes for short walks despite the Minnesota cold. I hope that the research currently being done can help future furbabies and their owners. This cancer is such a roller coaster.

Duffy has lived a full life, to almost 15 years. Letting go is so hard.

Nov 15, 2012
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Rex Chocolate Lab
by: Robyn,

Thank you all for your comments. We live in Kiama, NSW, Australia. We will get the pathology report today. My Rex is home with us at present. He is eating like mad, and wants to go for walks like normal, but our vet says to take it easy.

I love him so much, and do everything together. One part of me doesn't want to put him through all this for a couple of months, then the other part can't let go, but that is selfish, and not thinking of Rex But I will have to make a decision this weekend. IT HURTS BAD, DOESN'T IT? Rex is 6, 7 in December.

Robyn

Nov 14, 2012
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Rex
by: Anonymous

So sorry about Rex. My dog Olli is currently being treated for lymphoma and had splenectomy. She is now having chemo treatments. The first 2 weeks were rough with weight loss and nausea/vomiting. She has turned the corner though and is her usual self! Eating like a pig and is squeaking her toys again.

I questioned it at first but am so glad to have whatever time this buys her as long as she continues to feel good.

Sending you and Rex good thoughts. Keep us posted. I, too, have found Libby's humans board to be such a great support system.

Hillary

Nov 14, 2012
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Robyn
by: Anonymous

Libby's human's. Just a fyi. Libby had the surgery on the spleen to remove the hemangiosarcoma. Libby did especially well with the surgery and the chemo went a little tougher on her but she would bounce back after a few days each time. I recommend it heartily. This is a very tough disease to battle but I do not regret the extra time we had with Libby and would do it all over again. We used Kansas State University in Manhattan Kansas. Not sure where you are based. Good Luck!

Nov 14, 2012
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So sorry
by: Angna

Robyn, I am so sorry to hear about Rex, I know you must be heartbroken. This page was mine originally and it has given me strength and comfort through our battle.

I lost my beautiful golden Erin in Sept. and I'm still having trouble dealing with it. Erin also had hemangioma of the spleen originally. We did surgery and then chemo. I want you to know that Erin was 12 yrs. old when she was diagnosed and dealt amazingly well with the treatment after getting the right chemo for her.

The original prognosis was 3 to 6 months but Erin lived for a year and a half. She felt great and never realized she was sick until the end. We cherished everyday with her and I wouldn't change the path we took.

I hope Rex has surgery and can receive treatment as well. Please just ask if you have any questions, I know how scary this is. I send thoughts and prayers for you and Rex.

Angna

Nov 14, 2012
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My beautiful Lab
by: Robyn

I have just heard from my Vet that my beautiful Rex has got this terrible tumor. We were walking this morning as he loves his walks. We are never apart. My husband and I are going away on Monday, and I thought Rex was sulking because I was packing. So this morning I thought I would have him checked before we left, and this has come back to me that he has hemangiosarcoma of the spleen.

I love him so much I just don't know what to do. I don't want him to suffer.

Oct 10, 2012
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Rooney
by: Hillary

I am sorry I did not write in that it will be Thursday morning @ 10 am. It sounds like you received better information for Olli. Just remember to take each day at a time. As long as Ollie is not suffering it is a blessing. Just keep on loving him, that is what matters to Olli.

Libby was in very good condition and a day before we lost her she was in a field with us enjoying checking it out. Spend time with him and both of you will enjoy it immensely.

Sorry for the misinformation. Must have been too tired when I was writing it down. I knew it was Thursday but neglected to write that down. You will probably be gone by then. Sorry we did not get to meet. Keep in touch and remember like you said, you are not alone.

Later,
Libby's humans

Oct 09, 2012
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Libby's humans
by: Hillary

Olli and I were there at 10 am! I did not see a pug, however. It would have been neat to speak with you. I was encouraged by what the oncologist had to say. We start chemo next week. Hopefully we will have a good 6 months to 1 year together! I am praying things go well.

Hope all went well with your pug!! Thanks again for everything. I'll check back, too!

Oct 09, 2012
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To Hillary
by: Libby's humans

We may be seeing you at KSU - we are scheduled for a consult for our rescue pug, Rooney. We will be there at 10 am in the morning. May you receive good information. I pray that you may have a bit better luck since it is not hemangiosarcoma. Will keep checking back.

Libby's humans

Oct 09, 2012
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Olli
by: Hillary

Thank you to Libby's humans. Olli had her spleen removed on Friday and it was not what was expected. Diagnosis of lymphoma. We are headed to KSU in the morning. Thank you so much for the information. I just may be using your email address if I have more questions. I truly appreciate your feedback and this forum.

To the rest: I am so glad to have this forum to read through. It helps to keep me grounded and know I am not alone. It delights me to know that there are so many compassionate humans out there that see animals as members of the family and not "pets."

Olli is my best friend. We do everything together. I'm just trying everything I can to do right by her. For now, she is in no pain and is taking up so much of the bed that I am awake writing this!

Oct 08, 2012
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Libby's humans
by: Anonymous

Hello all:

This is Libby's humans. Have been out of town on a much needed vacation. Our experience with KSU was very direct and clear, they told it the way they saw the situation and on hindsight now they were spot on from the medical standpoint. Disheartening for us to hear but you need to know what you are looking at. The vet we saw in Lawrence was Kathy King with Kaw Valley. Just received a notice she is moving the practice to Lenexa KS. She was very compassionate but ultimately she could not stop this disease for us.

If you need to contact us my email is callison@emporia.edu.

I am sorry to hear about Erin's loss, nothing I can say will make it better but I do know how you feel. I still miss Libby terribly, did not fish without her this year at all, just wasn't the same if she was not there. I find that almost everything we did we tried to include her if at all possible.

Will check back when I have a bit more time.

Later all.

Oct 05, 2012
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We've lost our beautiful golden girl Erin to Hemangiosarcoma
by: Angna

To those of you that have followed my Golden Retriever Erin's battle with hemangiosarcoma, I have sad news. It's still hard for me to sit and write this as we lost our girl on Sept. 11.

She fought a valiant battle for a year and a half which for this disease is a very long time. She took chemo treatments and never felt bad until the day we lost her. It was a long expensive road but I would gladly do it again in a heartbeat. We had extra time with her that was priceless...our hearts are truly broken and we will forever miss our girl.

To those of you still in the midst of this battle I send you and your dogs prayers and strength.

Oct 02, 2012
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Morgan
by: Hazel, Site Editor

Hi, Donna,

So sorry about Morgan.

Hunnan Baiyao has been used for a long time in China and other parts of Asia. It is effective in stopping bleeding in humans. Many holistic vets also recommend using it on dogs. It seems effective in dogs as well.

As for Essiac tea, there are quite a few visitors to this forum who said they had got good results by using the tea to control K9 cancer. It is definitely worth giving it a try.

Please also take a look at these pages if you haven't already done so:

Dog Cancer Diet
Herbs for Dog Cancer

Good luck.

Oct 02, 2012
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Morgan just diagnosed
by: Anonymous

Our mixed retriever was just diagnosed with inoperable Hemangiosarcoma. The prognosis is he has 1-4 weeks to live since it has already spread to his spleen, kidney, and liver. We are frantically searching today for any remedies to prolong his life and make him comfortable. We read about Hunnan Baiyao to stop bleeding; we read about Essiac tea. Can you give us any suggestions?

Thanks so much.

Donna

Oct 02, 2012
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Trying to Get in contact with Anonymous
by: Hillary

I came across this board when researching hemangiosarcoma of the spleen. My dog was just diagnosed today. I am devastated. I live in Saint Louis but am going to Lawrence Ks to stay with my mother for the week. Libby's mother took her to KSU and a vet in Lawrence and I would love to speak with her regarding their experience as well as suggestions. Thank you so much for this board. It has given me some peace.

Jun 01, 2012
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Humor
by: libby's humans

Life has been rough for us this year - lost my father, oldest brother and then Libby, the last two to cancer.

Feeling devastated by Libby's loss, on March 20 the first day of spring, we were thrown into an unbelievable strange circumstance that I think God did for us through all of our family members we lost.

Driving through the busiest intersection in our town, we saw a pug dog in the left turn lane looking at us. I tried to scare him to run off the road before he got run over. Instead when the light changed to green he chased us through the intersection so we pulled over as soon as possible and jumped out to see if we could corral him before he got run over. Instead he jumped into the car through the open passenger door. We stopped at the convenience store on the corner and asked if they knew who owned him and they told us it was a family that must not care much for him as this was about the 7th or 8th time he had been in the intersection and they couldn't get him to come to them at all.

We fostered him and checked on the family and they did not even respond to the ads in the paper the humane society placed and the shelter said they would ticket them if they took him back.

I think that Libby helped us get through this time with him (we call the pug Rooney as his face reminds us of Mickey Rooney) and my dad and brother sent us a dog that snores horribly and I can see them laughing it up. Life can sure take some surprising turns when you least expect it. We miss Libby terrible but we are making it day by day.

Rooney is now permanent in our home.

How is everyone else doing? Do the best you can and keep your heart open - it may surprise you what may happen.

God Bless.

Mar 24, 2012
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Libby
by: Anonymous

I am so very sorry to hear about Libby, it certainly brought tears to my eyes... I know at this time nothing really helps but I know the pain you are suffering and I offer my thoughts and prayers for all of you.

Erin is doing well right now and just celebrated her 12th birthday St. Patricks Day. This cancer is awful and is always hanging over your head even while trying to be positive. March 19th was the date we lost Max my other golden to the same cancer just last year and we are still mourning him. We are grateful every day to still have Erin with us.

Please try to remember how much Libby loved you and your love for her, it helps. I try to remember that I will see all of the pets that I've loved again one day. I know they all go to heaven because no one deserves to be there more.

Mar 23, 2012
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Libby
by: Libby's humans

We lost Libby Tuesday of this week. She quit eating and we took her to the vet for x-rays and to see what was up, she was anemic and her heart was enlarged. We took her back home and was waiting for a call from the holistic vet to see what could be done. Libby didn't make it long enough then, 4:30 in the afternoon I think she must have had a heart attack from the cancer attacking her heart. It was much too fast and we weren't really expecting that so quickly.

We are really lost without her, just doing the best we can and hanging on. Will write later when it isn't so raw.

Please enjoy every moment you have and keep trying. Lost enough to cancer this year in this family. Will keep reading though.

Feb 25, 2012
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Rudy
by: Stacey

Our Rudy was dx with visceral hemangiosarcoma in June 2010. We took him to university of Pennsylvania for treatment. By the time he was dx, he had a mass on his right atrium and masses on his spleen.

We couldn't do surgery but did chemotherapy. We also supplemented with CoQ10 for cardiac support. He also took Yunnan baiyo which is natural and part of Penn's protocol. This was to help with bleeds as this is eventually how they end up dying - massive hemorrhage. I swear by Yunnan baiyo so ask your vet about it.

Also Rudy did fairly well with chemotherapy but did experience nausea so definitey experiment with different meds if this is an issue for your doggie - also Rudy would get constipated - organic pumpkin is great for that. We also went to a well known vet in New York - a holistic vet - I didn't think he was able to offer us anything. Penn was fabulous and we felt the care there was outstanding - we live in atlanta and drove 800 miles to seek care there.

Wish you all the best... Take lots of pictures and enjoy every moment - we spent lots of time and took a bunch of trips - like Rudy's bucket list!!

Stacey

Jan 24, 2012
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New Update for Erin
by: Angna

I hope Libby is doing well and tolerating her treatment.

I know we felt so lucky to have Erin with us for Christmas and currently she is doing pretty well. We are continuing her chemo because she still feels okay and her bloodwork is still good.

At this point she has what they call stable disease, meaning the tumor hasn't grown anymore at this time.

Erin did develop an infection at the chemo injection site and she has been on antibiotics for several weeks. The sore is finally healing, we were all worried when that happened. The Dr. says that hardly ever happens.

Erin still feels good and continues to play and act normally. We have her on a low residue intestinal diet because the tumor is on her colon.

I hope things are going as well for you and Libby.

Nov 30, 2011
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Libby has hemangiosarcoma
by: Libby's humans

Libby goes in Thursday December 1 for 3rd round of chemo. She is doing well right now but I fear the future.

We have been to the holistic vet and she let us decide to finish chemo or not since we had already started before we found her. She has given us a heart healthy diet to make for Libby, Has natural beef, kale, asparagus, beet, daikon radish, sweet potato, pear, green beans, then each meal we add KAL bone meal, cod liver oil, (or salmon), one a day multivitamin, turmeric, canine cardiac support supplement, and onco support to boost immunity. Sounds like a lot but she loves the taste of it and really chows it down. (We made sure to give it to her first time when she felt good so she did not have a negative feeling toward it.)

We hate to go through chemo but feel that it is the best we can do for her now. The holistic vet wants to go much more in depth when we are done with chemo. Not sure what that will entail but includes 2 weekly visits for the first month, (difficult to do when we live about 75 miles away but will find a way somehow.) Will update over the weekend how she does with this chemo treatment.

Hope your golden is doing well and happy. Let us know any methods that you like that you feel is good to try.

Will keep you in our thoughts and prayers.

Nov 18, 2011
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Update on Erin
by: Angna

I thought I would let everyone know that Erin is still doing chemo, she had 2 treatments left and then we will have an ultrasound and see where we stand.

The secondary tumor that she developed in her colon is still there and remains unchanged at this time. We had to change chemo since the first wasn't working for her.

Most of the time she feels excellent except for the 3 days after treatment when she is tired and not too hungry.

I'm so sorry to hear about your Libby and will keep her in our prayers. Like you I have been giving Erin some supplements and vitamins to help her immune system and to combat anemia. This is a tough journey but we cherish every day with our beautiful Erin and will fight this with a vengeance!

Nov 18, 2011
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Libby has hemangiosarcoma
by: Anonymous

I am feeling your pain. Our dog Libby is my wife's very first dog and Libby is very sensitive to our moods and very very loving.

She was bleeding internally when we were told about this horrible disease and immediately drove to KSU Vet Center in Manhattan Kansas and she had emergency surgery to remove her spleen.

She has now been about 5 weeks from that moment and has undergone 2 chemotherapy treatments. She feels pretty decent except she must take nausea pills for about five days until the chemo must calm down for her.

She is happy and still takes walks with us. We are careful to keep every other pet in the house healthy to keep Libby's immune system from not being able to fight off a simple infection.

We are going next week to a holistic vet in Lawrence to see other options. We will do our best that we can for her and shower her with our affection and love. It is the least we can do for her since she gives us total love. I will try to sign on next week and see how it goes.

Oct 05, 2011
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Thanks so much
by: Anonymous

I truly appreciate your comments and yes it has been heartbreaking... I know there is no good outcome for this cancer but we want as much time as possible with our girl. She is feeling good right now and thankfully doesn't even know she is sick. I did come on this forum seeking any supplements that might help her and build immunity. She has developed a mild case of anemia from the chemo.

Oct 05, 2011
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So very sorry
by: Anonymous

Having one pass away from cancer is the worst, but having two in the same year get diagnosed and/or pass away, unimaginable - my heart goes out to you and your family. I wish for the best in the second fight with your second dog, and pray that things go better this time around. Have you tried any holistic or natural remedies along with the chemo?? Wonder if that would help your dog... good luck and prayers all around.

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